" The reception centers are prisons. For years, I say, and it took disorders these days because it took place. "Massimo Barra is the President of the Italian Red Cross, and vice president of international. He knows what it's about, because his organization manages some of the 13 centers that now are called "identification and expulsion". "Problems are there in our centers, we There are always, as in all places that are precisely comparable to prisons, in which life is imprisoned. "
Dr. Bar, the Red Cross also operates its own centers of Turin and Milan, where there have been riots in recent days. Mattresses on fire, violence and protests, culminating in fourteen and eleven arrests bruised, police and carabinieri.
"This is because the new measures, the security package just passed, it certainly did not put in a good mood people detained. The prospect of living has forced increased from 2 to 6 months, and many of them appear to be disproportionate. Please understand that these are people, and the conscience of many of them did not commit a crime. Who is the former detention center, today Cie, not the subjective consciousness of having committed a crime, hence the protest. If we add to the overcrowding, riots are inevitable. I'm almost a logical consequence. "
are protests against injustice, or there is also the problem of overcrowding? "I burst Cie, and will continue to explode. Overcrowding exacerbates the situation of people detained so much, and causes difficulties for the operators. And the overcrowding is likely to rise dramatically, with the introduction of the crime of illegal immigration. I want to clarify that my course is not a political statement, by statute, the Red Cross never takes political positions. But knowing the situation Cie, I can not see that in particular the introduction the crime of illegal immigration has exacerbated the most of the minds: even those who are outside the law did not commit just any kind of crime. "
As the estimate could be the overcrowding that will result from the imposition of this new offense? "I have no idea. I merely stated that the Interior Ministry about a few thousand people in CIE, and that the estimates of illegal immigrants arrive in a million. Estimate how far you can get overcrowded. "
The Red Cross may also supervise other reception centers for migrants? "Not at this time. The Italian government, over time, management gave us in some centers. But in the name of rights Universal would be good, I say this not only for Italy but also for the rest of the world, the doors were open to the Red Cross. Because those places are prisons in all respects, and it is desirable to have a global presence as it were the Red Cross in the prisons of all kinds and in all countries. Our hard work is still based on the respect for human rights. "
But in the face of unrest in Turin and Milan have called the police and the police?
"No, of course. Police and Carabinieri Cie. And when you need to monitor the individual involved. But the point is rights. This would be important for our own monitoring, against violence and neglect. Follow all the centers would be a guarantee for all, and would be good if the Italian government would allow him to. "
It 's the first time you face confrontation of this magnitude within a center?
"No. E 'already happened in the past, these are desperate people without prospects. The prisons because these are the condensate of the unsolved problems of humanity, there is no difference between a Cie and Regina Coeli. It can get worse. "
(Interview by Antonio Rampino - La Stampa)
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